UFO whistleblower speaks
We are not alone: The UFO whistleblower speaks
Former intelligence officer makes claims of potential extraterrestrial life
Whistleblower: U.S. has “quite a number” of "non-human” vehicles
David Grusch: “We're definitely not alone”
(NewsNation) — For decades, the UFO question has been consigned to the realm of speculation,
conspiracy theory and science fiction. However, in recent years, serious people have started taking on
the subject with a more academic approach.
The renewed interest has been prompted in part by the recent release of videos purporting to show
encounters between American naval aviators and, what the Pentagon has labeled “unidentified aerial
phenomenon (UAP)” Congress has convened hearings to determine what these UAP are and what
threat, if any, they might pose.
“If UAP do indeed represent a potential threat to our security, then the capabilities, systems, processes
and sources we use to observe and study or analyze these phenomena need to be classified at
appropriate levels,” said Scott Bray, Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence.
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The Department of Defense has established a special team: the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office
(AARO). It’s job: to investigate and identify what are now hundreds of reported sightings. So far, they
have not confirmed any of them to constitute proof of alien life.
The U.S. government’s official stance, however, remains the same: human beings are alone.
But now, for the first time, a former member of AARO is speaking out with a stunning story.
“My name is David Grusch.”
“I came from a blue-collar family in Pittsburgh and had the money for college,” said Grusch. “I always
admired people in uniform and I’ve always wanted to be a part of something bigger than myself.”
About 18 years ago he received an Air Force scholarship in physics. He was originally commissioned
on active duty and served 14 years in the Air Force.
He became a career intelligence officer, Grusch spent time on the ground in Afghanistan, and other
places he can’t mention, before rotating back to Washington, D.C.
“And my last position, which I left in April of 2023, I co-lead the UAP portfolio for the National
Geospatial Intelligence Agency and some of the highest officials within the Department of Defense and
intelligence community used to call on me to advise them on some of the hardest target sets that the
country had,” Grusch said.
He told NewsNation he was entrusted with some of the country’s most intimate secrets.
The most earth-shattering of those secrets, he claims, were revealed after 2019, when he was invited
to join the UAP task force.
“I have, based on my full security clearance and multiple polygraphs (lie detector tests), had the ability
to be read into any program that I needed,” he said. “At one point in time, I was extremely highly
cleared.”
During that time, Grusch claims the UAP Task Force was refused access to a broad crash retrieval
program.
“These are retrieving non-human origin technical vehicles, call it space-craft if you will. Non-human
exotic origin vehicles that have either landed or crashed,” he said.
Grusch told NewsNation that the U.S. is in possession of “quite a number” of these “non-human”
vehicles.
He says he didn’t believe it at first.
“I thought it was totally nuts and I thought at first I was being deceived. People started to confide in me
… approaching me. I had plenty of senior, former intelligence officers that came to me, many of which I
knew almost my whole career, that confided in me that they were part of a program,” he said. “They
named the program … I’d never heard of it. They told me, based on their oral testimony, and they
provided me documents and other proof, that there was in fact a program that the UAP Task Force was
not read into.”
Grusch, however, is hesitant to use the term “alien life.”
“I couch it as somebody who has studied physics, where you know, maybe they’re coming from a
different physical dimension as described in quantum mechanics. We know there are extra dimensions
due to high-energy particle collisions, etc., and there’s a theoretical framework to explain that,” he said.
In other words, Grusch believes humans are not alone. He says there is “potentially extra-terrestrial life”
out there.
He’s never personally seen non-human intelligence but says he’s spoken to enough people directly
involved in what he calls “the program,” that he’s convinced it’s real.
“I started out as a non-believer. I came to the problem as a hardcore physics guy … intel officer,” he
said. So I have, you know, excuse my language high bull—- factor.” I was very methodical …
interviewing people who didn’t know each other and making sure this wasn’t some kind of cover-up of
some other program.”
Grusch says he pressed to gain direct access to the program, and that’s when the trouble started. He
claims his investigation was stymied, and his requests for access were rebuffed.
“They shut the door in my face. They denied me access to these programs,” he said.
Soon after, he says he endured reprisals and retaliations from above. He reported that information to
the intelligence community inspector general and eventually filed a whistleblower complaint.
The experience, he says, is why he has decided to go public in a recent article in “The Debrief” written
by Leslie Kean.
Grusch says he is not being paid for any of the testimonials but rather is doing it out of a “sense of
service.”
“Call me a Boy Scout or whatever. It’s just when I saw the kind of wrongdoing I did … I don’t want to be
60 or 70 years old in the future and have that, you know, “could have, should have, would have” kind of
feeling where I could have made a difference,” he said. “I did not want to live a life of regret.”
And his conviction remains the same.
“We’re definitely not alone,” he said. “The data points quite empirically that we’re not alone.”
He says the United States has intact spacecraft in its possession.
And possibly bodies.
“Well, naturally, when you recover something that’s either landed or crashed … sometimes you
encounter dead pilots and, believe it or not, as fantastical as that sounds. It’s true,” Grusch said.
He told NewsNation that he has seen “some interesting photos,” and “read some very interesting
reports. However, he says that the specific documents and photos that would prove his claims are still
classified and he cannot disclose them here.
When asked about his credibility, and why his claims should be taken seriously, Grusch pointed to his
credentials.
“Well, we provided the proof internally to the inspector general and went into all the details,” he said. “I
mean, I have the credentials. I was an intelligence officer on the UAP Task Force.”
Allegations of aliens and their spacecraft are hard to accept, even coming from a respected insider; the
notion comes with obvious questions.
How could such nonhuman aircraft travel to Earth in the first place, and go undetected by the general
public?
Grusch says the craft may not be traveling through space as we understand it.
“It is a well-established fact, at least mathematically and based on empirical observation and analysis,
that there most likely are physical, additional spatial dimensions,” he said. “And you can imagine, four
and five-dimensional space where what we experience is linear time, ends up being a physical
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dimension in higher dimensional space where you were living there. You could translate across what
we perceive as a linear flow. So there is a possibility that this is a theory here. I’m not saying this is
100% the case but it could be that this is not necessarily extraterrestrial, and it’s actually coming from a
higher dimensional physical space that might be co-located right here.”
Grusch says he’s certain that the materials the crafts are made out of are not of our planet.
“Based on the very specific properties that I was briefed on … isotopic ratios that have to be
engineered for it to be at those levels. But also just extremely strange, heavy atomic metal, high up in
the Periodic Table. Arrangements that we don’t understand. You know what the emergent properties
are, but there’s just a very strange mix of elements,” he said.
And while Grusch says the U.S. has gleaned some insight from these materials for military use, much
more could be done if academia and the private sector had access.
“It’s totally nuts that humanity as a whole especially, U.S. citizenry as a whole, they’re not even
benefiting from broad research on this to solve propulsion, energy issues, novel material science that
could improve people’s quality of life,” he said. “It’s just totally nuts how it’s been protected and inhibits
progress.”
Grusch believes there is a “sophisticated disinformation campaign” in the United States with regard to
nonhuman life and aircraft.
He also made stunning claims that go back to the famous Roswell incident. At the time, there were
multiple witnesses who said there were bodies recovered from the alleged Roswell aircraft.
“You might want to trust some of these witnesses,” Grusch said.
In 1947, an object crashed in the New Mexico desert near the town of Roswell. The U.S. Air Force
recovered material that was described as metallic and rubbery, though the government changed its
story as to what it was, calling it a “flying disc” at first, then a weather or spy balloon.
But he says reports like Roswell date even further back.
“It’s long been known that the regime of Italian dictator Benito Mussolini documented numerous UAP.
An internal memo from the Italian Secret Services includes crude drawings of the UAPs.
“In 1933 was the first recovery in Europe and in Magenta, Italy,” said Grusch. “They recovered a
partially intact vehicle.”
Most believe that the Roswell incident has been thoroughly debunked. In fact, the Air Force published a
report in 1994 to put the issue to rest once and for all.
Grusch has read it.
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“That analysis they did was a total hack job,” he said. “I mean, even anybody with analytical skills … if
you read it, you can deduce that they’re completing multiple situations crash test dummies and
movable dunes. They (the Air Force) is just saying that the townsfolk who personally witnessed it were
totally imagining things. They concocted that whole report just to disinform.”
As to why Grusch believes the Air Force and the U.S. government maintain such a degree of secrecy,
he believes it is, in his words, “Feudalistic dominance,” and “fuel in the war machine.”
He claims that through the 50s and 60s, encounters with nonhuman aircraft continued, as did the
alleged cover-up. One incident in 1967, about which multiple Air Force veterans have gone public,
involved UAPs tampering with the nuclear missiles at Malmstrom Air Base in Montana.
Officials observed a craft that appeared to be intelligently controlled hovered over the nuclear weapons.
The silo and 10 nuclear ICBM missiles were shut down.
“It certainly looks like they (nonhuman organisms) want to understand how far we’ve advanced in our
nuclear fissile kind of technologies at the very least,” Grusch hypothesized.
Meanwhile, he claims the crash retrieval program continued, and while he won’t reveal where the
downed craft are stored, he does say that the people working with the technology have been putting
themselves at risk.
“A lot of them were injured looking at some of this stuff,” he said. “You can imagine the nuclear,
radiological and biological risks to looking at an unknown. And a lot of them have literally suffered
physically because of their service.”
ARE ATTITUDES IN WASHINGTON CHANGING?
Footage captured by naval aviators’ military-grade cameras in 2015 may be changing the minds of
some lawmakers in Washington.
The videos were leaked in 2017, then officially released by the Pentagon in 2020. At the time, it
seemed the Pentagon may have finally abandoned secrecy and decided to do what some countries
have been doing for decades: establish a properly-funded, publicly accountable team to investigate
reports of UAP.
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David Grusch was part of that team.
He says, however, that the promised new age of government transparency is a fallacy. For starters, he
says the videos that have been released are just the tip of the iceberg.
“There are many videos that are totally fair to release through a declassification process,” he said. “I
find it very concerning from a transparency perspective that all that the department has declassified
were those three famous videos. There are more concerning videos that left me with a lot of questions.”
He says there are credible witnesses who could testify before Congress about spacecraft — big
spacecraft.
“A lot of them were very large, very large, like a football field kind of size,” Grusch said.
Grush says the aircraft retrieval team includes at least one private aerospace company that is storing
alien craft.
High-level officials in the U.S. government, and even presidents, have categorically denied that the
aircraft retrieval unit exists.
Just a few weeks ago, Dr. Shawn Kirkpactrick, the head of the Pentagon’s UAP investigation program
told Congress that his team has found no credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity or objects
that defy the known laws of physics.
“While a large number of cases in our holdings remain technically unresolved, this is primarily due to a
lack of data associated with those cases,” Kirkpatrick told lawmakers.
Grush said he expressed “some concerns” with Kirkpatrick about a year ago.
“I told him what I was starting to uncover and he didn’t follow up with me. He has my phone number, he
could’ve called me,” said Grush. “I hope he ultimately does the right thing. He should be able to make
the same investigative discoveries I did.”
In movies, the aliens are sometimes portrayed as peaceful, even cuddly. Grush doesn’t think they’re
that friendly.
“I think the logical fallacy there is because they’re advanced, they’re kind. We’ll never really understand
their full intent and that’s because we’re not them. But I think what appears to be malevolent activity
has happened. That’s based on nuclear site probing activities and witness testimony.
When asked if human beings have been injured or killed by nonhuman intelligence, Grush avoided
getting into details.
“While I can’t get into the specifics because that would reveal certain US classified operations, I was
briefed by a few individuals on the program that there were malevolent events like that,” he said.
But if this non-human intelligence is so advanced, and at least some of them are malevolent, why
haven’t they destroyed us already?
Grusch has written an internal document about his discoveries that refers to “agreements that risk
putting our future in jeopardy.”
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“That’s the kind of information I really hope national leadership is able to get to the bottom of,” Grusch
said.
We do know of at least one agreement among humans that’s worth noting. A 1971 agreement between
the U.S. and the USSR on measures to reduce the risk of nuclear war. Whether or not you believe
David Grusch, the document proves the two superpowers were aware that UAP existed, whatever they
were.
Grusch believes the U.S. government will do anything to keep these secrets safe.
“At the very least, I saw substantiative evidence that white-collar crime was committed,” he said.
When asked if people have been killed to protect the alleged secret, Grusch again gave few details.
“Yeah, unfortunately. I’ve heard some really un-American things I don’t want to repeat right now.”
GRUSCH’S CREDIBILITY
Here’s what he doesn’t have.
He doesn’t have smoking gun documents or photos; he doesn’t have official confirmation of his claims.
NewsNation has confirmed through multiple sources that he is who he says he is: an Air Force veteran
from Pittsburgh who worked in military intelligence and was part of the UAP task force.
Grusch said he does not suffer from any mental illness.
“I’m not a disgruntled employee,” he said. “I resigned on my own accord because I thought,
altruistically, it’s more appropriate to show leadership on the outside.”
Here’s the proof Grusch said he does have, in his own words.
“Based on the credentialled people that came to me. Some of the subjects provided me with sensitive
foreign intelligence to read … program documents and photographs to evaluate. And then describe in
very specific detail how all this worked. And they were telling me that the exact extremely specific
details that it all checked out.”
Perhaps the best reason to believe Grusch may be the whistleblower complaint he filed. It appears to
not have fallen on deaf ears.
“They (the inspector general) found after interviewing myself, the subjects and other subjects that I’m
not even cognizant of who they were, they found my complaint, urgent and credible for the intelligence
committees,” he said.
Grusch has since left the government and he was not part of AARO during the most recent
congressional hearings when more UAPs were revealed, including one captured by a drone in the
Middle East in 2022.
His whistleblower case will take months to conclude. In the meantime, he says he’s starting a scientific
foundation, and he’s willing to speak to anyone in Washington who has the clearance, and the desire,
to hear the classified information he could not share with NewsNation.
“I’m happy to further brief elected officials on the specific ecosystem, the secrecy … down to fine
details,” he said.
もう一度考えてみよう！ジャック・ヴァレー氏：「そのレベルには秘密がある。私が知っていること、関わってきたこと、UFOについては私なりの結論もあるが、その構造は尊重する。ロシアが私たちよりもはるかに進歩している兆候がある」そして「宗教が絡んでくるだろう」
「そのレベルには秘密があります…私は参加しました…私はその構造を尊重します」ヴァレーはこう語っています。
ヴァレー氏は、機密情報や繊細な情報を扱う政府機関や科学機関で働いていたと考えられています。そのため、法的、道徳的、倫理的な理由から、公に説明できない事柄がいくつかあります。
「構造を尊重する」
ヴァレーは科学者だ。たとえ個人的には反対であっても、政府や科学機関、あるいは科学的な考え方や公式のプロセスを公然と批判するようなことはしない。
2. 「UFOについては私なりの結論がある」
ヴァレー氏は、UFOは単なる地球外宇宙船であるという従来の考えを信じていない。つまり、この現象は「異星人」という従来の説明には当てはまらないということだ。
UFOは人間の認識、文化、宗教、信念体系と相互作用し交差する現象である可能性がある。
ヴァリーは、UFO体験は歴史を通して神話、民間伝承、宗教、宗教的ビジョンと関係があるとよく言う。
3. 「ロシアが我々よりもはるかに進歩している兆候がある」
ロシアは歴史的に、冷戦期において超心理学、黒魔術、アポート技術、超常現象研究、意識研究、そして非従来型科学に多額の投資を行ってきました。現在、これらの分野ではイスラエルがロシアよりも進んでいるという噂もあります。
ヴァレー氏は、米国は過去にこれらの研究分野を無視し、嘲笑さえし、米国に損害を与えてきたと考えている。
「さらに進歩した」
この現象をより真剣に研究したということかもしれません。何らかの画期的な成果を上げた可能性もあります。
4. 「宗教が絡んでくるだろう」
これはヴァレーの最も重要な考えの一つです。
UFO体験は、宗教的または精神的な体験（幻視、天使、悪魔、天使学、悪魔の活動、悪魔学の啓示）に似ていることが多い
歴史を通じて、人々は当時の信仰体系を使って奇妙な現象を解釈してきた。
現代のUFOは、過去の宗教体験と同様の心理的または文化的役割を果たしている可能性がある。
ヴァリー氏は、UFO を真摯に説明するには、物理学だけでなく、人間の信仰体系、宗教、象徴、意味も考慮する必要があると述べている。
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